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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "seeklektek" <eclectics@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:54:28 -0800

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>----- Original Message ----- >From: "chthonic" >> also, i think 'the sylvie and babs hi-fi companion' was a

precursor

quoted 5 lines to what people now call "plunderphonics".

>> to what people now call "plunderphonics". > > >Nah. John Oswald was doing the Mystery Tapes >way before any of that Stapleton stuff.

hmm...it seems so, since a page i read dates his work from 1975 (3 years prior to the first NWW and 10 years before "s&b"). but were they actually released? anywhere stapleton could have heard them? the same page says "The first two plunderphonic releases, a 1988 EP and a 1989 full-length CD", which would place those releases after the NWW LP. it also says "Mystery Tapes, a series of compilation cassettes resembling aural magazines, offering a collage of music, voices, and sound...Sound sources were taken out of context, voices were removed from their associated faces, and songs were presented on their own merit." that could just be a poor description, but this sounds a bit less like stapleton's collage style and more like a kind of bizarro mixtape, or at least halfway between. "Many of the ideas first presented in these tapes would be explored further as Oswald began to develop his idea of plunderphonics in the late 1980s." this again sounds like the tapes were done but were not called plunderphonics or fully developed as such until after NWW had been releasing records for several years. just saying what it sounds like. never heard oswald's pre-NWW work. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines just saying what it sounds like. never heard oswald's pre-NWW

> just saying what it sounds like. never heard oswald's pre-NWW > work.

I was almost sure the mystery tapes were available online, either at http://detritus.net/archives/ or at the plunderphonics site (in case you want to hear material) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 3/10/04 2:08 PM, chthonic at chthonic@chthonicstreams.com wrote:

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> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "seeklektek" <eclectics@comcast.net> > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:54:28 -0800 > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "chthonic" >>> also, i think 'the sylvie and babs hi-fi companion' was a > precursor >>> to what people now call "plunderphonics". >> >> >> Nah. John Oswald was doing the Mystery Tapes >> way before any of that Stapleton stuff. > > hmm...it seems so, since a page i read dates his work from 1975 > (3 years prior to the first NWW and 10 years before "s&b"). > > but were they actually released? anywhere stapleton could have > heard them? the same page says "The first two plunderphonic > releases, a 1988 EP and a 1989 full-length CD", which would > place those releases after the NWW LP. > > it also says "Mystery Tapes, a series of compilation cassettes > resembling aural magazines, offering a collage of music, voices, > and sound...Sound sources were taken out of context, voices were > removed from their associated faces, and songs were presented > on their own merit." >

goodly-nice props to Oswald....even so, Stapleton's own work is an homage to Dada in as much as lp and songs titles reflect. Still nice to hear about this other guy tho. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org